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The Ties That Bind

I haven't commented on the last few episodes, but feel the need to do so for the finale. Alot more information was given in this one than I had remembered.



The Teaser

I choose to think that when Kirsten slinked up behind Sandy and his head snapped up, she had just grabbed his nads, and then Peter *almost* used tongue on Kelly! They always did make it believable for me.


Scene 1

Let me just state up front that I hated Ben's hair throughout most of this ep. It was styled for the wedding---so not an everyday look for Ryan.

Cal seemed downright humble in his convo with Sandy

Marissa preparing to move to 'The House on Haunted Hill'...hee! So that's where this phrase originated.

Theresa telling Ryan he's off the hook---why is he the one off the hook?


Scene 2

Marissa - 'Well at least everything can go back to normal' - I hate this repeated theme. Denial rears such an ugly head.

Seth's reason for never sailing to Tahiti: Ryan showed up. This sets up his downward spiral so nicely.

Kirsten's talk w/ Theresa alluding to the abortion - at least Josh followed through w/ this in the series finale.

Where have we seen the guy at the dock (who was helping Seth sell the Breeze) before? Or since?


Scene 3

Kandy convo - S: You know what Ryan's going through right now
K: Not as well as I know what she's going through.
I see this as the beginning of Kiki imposing her ideals of family and 'what should be' on Ryan---and totally fucking with his life. But hey---that's just me.

Ryan - 'You don't have to leave. We can figure something out together.'
T - 'Then come with me.'
I will grant beachtree her moment that this is blatant manipulation, but I see it more as T being scared and having always been in love with Ryan. I still don't think she was pregnant when she slept with him in The Goodbye Girl. YMMV

Seth being selfless for once, wanting to give $ to Ryan - 'I just don't know how else to help.' The ONLY time he's selfless here!

Marissa - 'So she's having the baby alone.' Did she inadvertently precipitate Ryan's decision here?

I love Ryan taking Cal's words about family and fatherhood to heart, which leads to 'I can't let her do this by herself....I'm leaving.' And he spoke those words so definitively.


Scene 4

The Blame-Game in the diner - 'I just don't even think Ryan would be back with Theresa if it wasn't for you and Oliver in the first place.' So who has used Ryan the most?

In the poolhouse - Ryan's whole speech about Sandy teaching him about family and Theresa's his family now; not wanting the baby to grow up as he did - Sandy's 'Just b/c you're leaving doesn't mean I'm letting you go.' Ben emoting so beautifully....*sigh* wonderful directing and acting.

The Wedding - Julie's blood-red flowers must have had meaning!

All the expressions - Ryan trying to gauge Marissa's reaction to what she's said and Kandy observing with apprehension---Ryan suddenly has ALL these people who love and need him----Seth sitting on the hill----I can truly feel his pain.

I started tearing up the second Ryan zipped that bag up. The hug...OMFG...tears falling (but, hee--the lunch bag Kelly used should have been crisply new--how many takes do you think they needed?) Seth and Ryan's goodbye - how hopeless and despondent Seth was while trying to act like he didn't care. Ben tearing up for like the 3rd time? Gah!

Kirsten with the sheets....and The Chic is sobbing. Except for the Series Finale, when Josh finally got it all right, and Marissa's death (nobody's more surprised than me) this is the only scene that reduces me instantly to tears....Every. Single. Time.

And here we are, full circle. What a wonderful season it was (mostly) I honestly don't think I will be writing any more reviews here. Without the prospect of *seeing* Ben weekly this Fall, this whole process is just too painful. I'll still read what you-all write, and comment, but rewatch S2? Nuh-uh. Well, maybe R/L poolhouse scenes with Journey blaring....
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I choose to think that when Kirsten slinked up behind Sandy and his head snapped up, she had just grabbed his nads, and then Peter *almost* used tongue on Kelly! They always did make it believable for me.


Oh, they definitely used tongue. Ever seen that The Ties That Bind blooper wherein Peter doesn't stop kissing Kelly until she finally pulls away and chastises the director for not cutting that scene while Peter goes all, "WTF?"? Made. Of. Win.

Sorry. Random. I get carried away so. ;) Anyways.

Let me just state up front that I hated Ben's hair throughout most of this ep. It was styled for the wedding---so not an everyday look for Ryan.


lol, I think you're the first person I've read to complain about Ryan's hair. I didn't notice the difference, really. But I'll look into it once more when I re-watch this episode sometime.

Theresa telling Ryan he's off the hook---why is he the one off the hook?


Honestly! Heh. I'm not Theresa's biggest fan, really. She was okay for me - up until this episode.

Ryan - 'You don't have to leave. We can figure something out together.'
T - 'Then come with me.'


This is when I became anti-Theresa. I know, she has her reasons, and I agree with you that she might've been too scared, and Ryan was the only one there for her. But, whatever. Manipulation, definitely.

Seth being selfless for once, wanting to give $ to Ryan - 'I just don't know how else to help.' The ONLY time he's selfless here!


I thought it was very generous of Sethy. Otherwise, I could really see him throwing a fit and going all, "NO! DON'T GO!" But my heart really went out to Seth in this scene.

The Blame-Game in the diner - 'I just don't even think Ryan would be back with Theresa if it wasn't for you and Oliver in the first place.' So who has used Ryan the most?


I actually went "HAH!" at that scene. It's not everyday Seth stands up that way to Marissa, and besides, I agree with him.

In the poolhouse - Ryan's whole speech about Sandy teaching him about family and Theresa's his family now; not wanting the baby to grow up as he did - Sandy's 'Just b/c you're leaving doesn't mean I'm letting you go.' Ben emoting so beautifully....*sigh* wonderful directing and acting.


One of the best scenes in the whole series, if you ask me.

Kirsten with the sheets....and The Chic is sobbing. Except for the Series Finale, when Josh finally got it all right, and Marissa's death (nobody's more surprised than me) this is the only scene that reduces me instantly to tears....Every. Single. Time.


And that is why I love Kelly Rowan. I don't know. There's just something about the scene that's totally heartbreaking. Not to mention, Kelly did that scene so well. I think that they should have done a similar thing in Seth's bedroom though, when Seth left home. I mean, can you imagine it? It would be even more tear-jerking.
I just posted at the chic's journal that I still have to rewatch- and the one prior to it, so I'm holding off on the actual comment, but Ben's hair? Yikes! For about the last third of this first season, it was just that hideous cut that didn't seem at all like Ben, and certainly not like a 15-16 boy, especially one like Ryan who's a real guy's guy. Fussy, over-styled, frilly, and 70s-faddish? No way, Jose. Ryan is the Super Cuts kind of guy. Minimal time, upkeep and money on the hair- and it made him look about ten years older. *Shudder*

Glad you see manipulative Theresa still in denial about doing what she should have done starting in February when she began what I see as her scheming and plotting: go home, go to school, get a part-time job, and take a break from Eddie if that's what she needed while focusing on helping her unemployed mom and finishing her education. It's not as if her whole extended family wouldn't have supported whatever she chose to do with the baby- and Eddie or no Eddie.

Love that Seth stands up to "M." Hate that Kirsten makes the pregnancy about her and her unresolved issues rather than even stopping to consider her legal ward. Instead, she really fails him and makes the distance that much more palpable- and greater- by pushing him away. He might not have heard her conversation with Sandy, but actions speak louder than words- as do her lack of involvement and show of support for him through action or words. Instead, she was Theresa's "guardian" when she already had a family, extended family, friends, etc. She just didn't want to face them. Ryan? He could count anyone he might trust on one hand- or less. Harbinger of how Kirsten would act with Trey, Dawn, Frank... Ouch.

Sandy/Ryan? Beautiful (except for the hair!)! Body language, inflections, dynamic- and a reminder of how we needed to see more of these two relating. They always, always sell it.

Montage starting from Ryan leaving the poolhouse? Amazing, poignant, riveting, and just tugging at the heartstrings until I think they're going to burst. I could volumes on the scene between Ryan and his guardians in the kitchen- but I'll spare you! I do wish we'd seen when he told them- and if they did try to convince him to stay as well as if they had a conversation between just the two of them. Ryan and Seth? So painful- and there are tears in Ryan's eyes. And then the sheets... If only Ryan had an inkling about that.

And what ever happened to the Kelly in that final shot? She was long gone by early S3- never to return.
And then the sheets... If only Ryan had an inkling about that.


You know, that would make a very good one-shot. ;)

And what ever happened to the Kelly in that final shot? She was long gone by early S3- never to return.


I know, she's kind of different in the third-fourth seasons. It might just be the character, but I was watching this special feature that came along with the S4 DVD - Women of The O.C. In there, she was hardly laughing like she was on the S1 and S2 features. What's up with that? o_O
That WOULD make a wonderful one-shot. Someone should post it as a plot bunny, and I mean someone besides me. When I post plot bunnies, the poor things go to the land of unadopted and Dawned bunnies. Ouch!

She really was different all of S3 and S4. If I had just tuned in, I would have thought she was clinically depressed- and severely so. Just watching her, it seemed like a different actress and a different character. Someone with no financial worries, no health worries (other than alcoholism), a devoted husband, at least one amazing kid (and one obnoxious, but healthy and happy one!), and, eventually, a new baby, who lives in luxury and has all the choices in the world shouldn't be acting as if she has nothing to live for and no reason to smile. Not good!

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I hope tonk gets this response too, but 'his hair' was written about endlessly over on TWoP at the time, and at LJ in S2 as well.

Harbinger of how Kirsten would act with Trey, Dawn, Frank... Ouch....and also S3 Valentine's Day when Kirsten thought she was sending Ryan off to try again with The Bot----and he really went to Sadie's.

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tonksified

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I'll wait for the 'official' [though will you really need one, darling?] except to say- beach, you really got it 'in' for that hairdresser! *hee*
"Ryan and Seth? So painful- and there are tears in Ryan's eyes." Yes. *gambit runs off sobbing for the woobie*

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*waves to The Chic first.* 60sChic, I agree with all your observations, especially about Ryan's hair. (shudders at the image) It's a good thing Ben was so damn good in this episode. If it weren't for the intensity of his performance in this episode, I would have found that OOC style impossibly distracting.

*now waving to tonksified:

I think that they should have done a similar thing in Seth's bedroom though, when Seth left home. I mean, can you imagine it? It would be even more tear-jerking.

Interesting suggestion. Actually, though, I think that Kirsten's reaction to Seth's disappearance wouldn't have nearly the emotional impact as her breakdown in the poolhouse. The circumstances are so different. Ryan left out of a possibly misguided but admirable sense of responsibility, and he did it after saying his goodbyes. So Kirsten cried for him because she hadn't been able to dissuade him from going, because she knew how much he was sacrificing and because his departure left a hole in her heart and her family deeper and emptier than she'd ever expected.

Seth, on the other hand, had no noble reason to leave. Essentially, even though we sympathize with him, his motives were selfish and he ran away from home. He couldn't face Newport without Ryan so he left too, and he didn't have the grace or the courage to discuss his decision with Summer or his parents. So, at least if I were Kirsten, I would be devastated to discover that Seth had left home, and I would be worried about his welfare and desperate to have him back safely, but I would also be absolutely furious. Any crying I did would include tears of rage. When I picture Sandy and Kirsten finding Seth's note, I imagine it that way, with grief and fear laced with "How could he do that?" anger. So I don't think that scene would be more tear-jerking than Kirsten grieving in the poolhouse.

Besides, much of the power of Kirsten's breakdown in the poolhouse was because it showed for the first time that she had grown to love Ryan. We already knew she loved Seth. We didn't need a special scene to prove it to us.
Well, that was really interesting. I never thought of it that way before, but now I do agree with you on the possibility of Sandy and Kirsten being furious and going all, "How could he do that?" at Seth. I wish we could have seen that in the season finale or the first episode of the second season, but, alas, nothing.

I just thought that it would be tear-jerking for Kirsten to find out that she has lost both her sons in one day.
Excellent points, chazper. I personally don't care to see any wailing over the big cry baby, even though I understand his pain. He was sacrificing nothing by running away and was only adding to everyone's worry and grief.

beachtree

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[and if I'd read all the way down before starting to poster, I could've let chazper handle this one- said it more thoroughly than I did!]
"It's not everyday Seth stands up that way to Marissa, and besides, I agree with him." Oh, YEAH. Seth was being a self-centered little whiner most of this episode, focused on what Teresa's needing Ryan was doing to SETH- except for the willingness to let go the Summer Breeze. But if they were trying to show complexity in this character, they just never tied it together-

"In the poolhouse - Ryan's whole speech about Sandy teaching him about family and Theresa's his family now" and so on- "One of the best scenes in the whole series, if you ask me." Gotta agree with both of you.

Then: " 'Kirsten with the sheets....and The Chic is sobbing. Except for the Series Finale, when Josh finally got it all right, and Marissa's death (nobody's more surprised than me) this is the only scene that reduces me instantly to tears....Every. Single. Time.'

And that is why I love Kelly Rowan. I don't know. There's just something about the scene that's totally heartbreaking. Not to mention, Kelly did that scene so well. I think that they should have done a similar thing in Seth's bedroom though, when Seth left home. I mean, can you imagine it? It would be even more tear-jerking." *mass blubbering from the flist, no doubt!* But their worry for Seth? Yes, heartbreaking, especially because they know he's totally without Ryan's street-smarts. But I think too much focus here would not have helped. The letters and the sailing into the sun told us what was happening. They never sold me that Seth and his long-term hatred of Newport was as valid a reason as Ryan's long-term friend/lover relationship with Teresa. If Seth had been the one to knock someone up, his reaction would've been NOTHING like Ryan's quiet, pensive, pained acceptance of what he had to to, to do the right thing. Because in spite of all the shit life dumped on him, Ryan continued to strive to do the right thing-

Seth's nowhere near that on the emotional maturity scale. To me, his leaving did come off as Summer so nicely put it at the beginning of S2- a whiny bitch sailing away instead of confronting his problems.
ITA that Seth would not have handled the knock-up as stoically as Ryan did in S1----however, he was pretty good with the pregnancy scare in S4.

oc_gambit2

10 years ago

I need to rewatch this ep, but I don't like the wedding - guess I'll be fast forwarding
Oh, you must rewatch. This set up so many situations over the next 3 seasons!

The wedding itself? Me neither.